The gist: "I treated you like garbage in the past, but now I've bet my life on you!"
Lyrics:
I know I took the path that you would never want for me
I know I let you down, didn't I?
So many sleepless nights where you were waiting up on me
Well I'm just a slave unto the night
Now remember when I told you that's the last you'll see
of me
Remember when I broke you down to tears
I know I took the path that you would never want for me
I gave you hell through all the years
So I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
I've been around the world and never in my wildest dreams
Would I come running home to you
I've told a million lies but now I tell a single truth
There's you in everything I do
Now remember when I told you that's the last you'll see
of me
Remember when I broke you down to tears
I know I took the path that you would never want for me
I gave you hell through all the years
So I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
Don't tell me that I'm wrong
I've walked that road before
And left you on your own
And please believe them when they say
That it's left for yesterday
And the records that I've played
Please forgive me for all I've done
So I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
So I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
I, I bet my life, I bet my life
I bet my life on you
Augustine would not be joining the Catholic Church if he were alive today. I watched your vid, "Join the church and go to hell", and you simply assume that all those before Luther were Roman Catholics!
ReplyDeleteNonsense.
Contrary to the false impression given in the vid, Augustine did NOT believe,
1) that Peter was the rock of Matt 16...(quotes upon request), and
2) the abominable doctrine of transubstantiation....(a topic I challenge you to debate publicly on your website).
Not only does the 1,000 page book, "Martyrs Mirror" record one innocent soul after another getting snuffed out by RC "personnel" by their rejection of the "wafer-god" (prior to 1500, over and against your assertion that such "dissenters" did not exist) but Augustine said
"In other words, in respect of His divine presence we always have Christ; in respect of His presence in the flesh it was rightly said to the disciples, 'Me you will not have always.' In this respect the Church enjoyed His presence only for a few days: now it possesses Him by faith, without seeing Him with the eyes....He left the world by a BODILY withdrawal, He proceeded to the Father by His ascension...
The Lord Jesus, in the discourse which He addressed to His disciples after the supper, when Himself in immediate proximity to His passion, and, as it were, on the eve of departure, and of depriving them of His BODILY presence while continuing His spiritual presence to all His disciples till the very end of the world...." (In, John: Tractates 50, 92, 102, and 118).
Like all Protestants today, Augustine believed that Christ's BODILY presence was removed to heaven. Thus, although he and we agree that Christ's SPIRITUAL presence via the Holy Spirit continued to be with his disciples then and now, he asserted that the ascension of Jesus into heaven "deprived" the disciples of Jesus' presence "in the flesh" ....without any reference that we should be consoled by His BODILY presence in the Eucharist.
Furthermore, we read,
"If the sentence is one of command, either forbidding a crime or vice, or enjoining an act of prudence or benevolence, it is not figurative. If, however, it seems to enjoin a crime or vice, or to forbid an act of prudence or benevolence, it is figurative. “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man,” says Christ, “and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.” This seems to enjoin a crime or a vice; it is therefore a FIGURE...
-----NPNF1: Vol. II, On Christian Doctrine, Book III, Chapter 16 (section 24).
"To what purpose dost thou make ready teeth and stomach? BELIEVE, and thou hast eaten already."
-----NPNF1: Vol. VII, Tractates on John, Tractate 25, §12.
"For to believe on Him is to eat the living bread. He that believes, eats...
-----NPNF1: Vol. VII, Tractates on John, Tractate 26, §1.
"certainly then, at least, you will see that not in the manner you suppose does He dispense His body; certainly then, at least, you will understand that His grace is not consumed by tooth-biting.
-----NPNF1-7, Tractates on John, Tractate 27, Section 3
I would be happy to read over your quotes on Augustine and the Church of Christ being founded on Peter.
DeleteSecondly, so Augustine didn't believe in the Real Presence of Christ. That is certainly the first time I've heard that one.
"Your eyes are looking at a bread and cup. This is the evidence before your physical sight. But your Faith must be instructed concerning it - this bread being Christ's body and the cup containing his blood."
Sermon 272 (c.405-411); tr. from PL 38, 1247-1248
We'll just start there. I have a Good Friday service to get ready for.
Before debating you on my blog, as you say, you will have to promise to read a book and I will read a book that you suggest, and then we'll see about trying to find time for a debate.
My book that I would have you read is "The Real Presence Through The Ages." If you're still Protestant after reading that, then we'll talk,