tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post2053367130433203456..comments2024-03-22T05:53:17.342-04:00Comments on On This Rock: The Sisters of Providence and the ACLU Panel on RFRAFather John Hollowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-39447543463420759222015-06-26T12:14:02.695-04:002015-06-26T12:14:02.695-04:00Hey Fr. Hollowell, GUESS WHAT? The United States S...Hey Fr. Hollowell, GUESS WHAT? The United States Supreme Court has now ruled that gays have the right to marry! Now gay marriage is legal in all 50 states!! People prayed for no gay marriage right to come out of this, and people also prayed for today's ruling. As I see it, today God gave the entire nation His Holy and Divine answer to America's prayers! Love Being Gaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-73510480927940991122015-06-23T00:52:17.459-04:002015-06-23T00:52:17.459-04:00One thing for sure, YOUR discrimination against ga...One thing for sure, YOUR discrimination against gay people is certainly unjust. You're definitely not someone to be trusted when it comes to that community. You have some sort of crazy thing going on in your head about them that has nothing to do with God. There is nothing Christlike about the way you deal with people and you haven't an ounce of talent on how to convince anyone that you're right. No one listens to a pompous ass, they just tune him out. Well, maybe it's not ALL about your lack of talent, most of it is because you're just plain wrong.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-80232014042264355062015-06-18T21:45:10.197-04:002015-06-18T21:45:10.197-04:00You're such a bigoted , pompous prick. There ...You're such a bigoted , pompous prick. There is no Jesus in you , but lot's of Lucifer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-90665355713544023572015-06-18T16:46:05.228-04:002015-06-18T16:46:05.228-04:00Don't even attempt to compare yourself to a Po...Don't even attempt to compare yourself to a Pope. You are far from their caliber of holiness. <br />You aren't advocating religious freedom , you already have that. You're pushing for discrimination . No one is forcing you to marry gay people, nor do gay people even want to be married in a Church where they may come across a nasty person like you.<br /><br />If things went your way, anyone could make up any religion they want and claim they don't serve , oh let's say bigoted Catholic priests? We can't discriminate against you either. Nor do we care to. That's not how America works<br /><br />Now go ahead, give one of your sarcastic, childish remarks. Still won't change the reality of who you areAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-24117851729739380502015-06-15T14:45:07.707-04:002015-06-15T14:45:07.707-04:00"Jesus loved prostitutes, but he didn't e..."Jesus loved prostitutes, but he didn't engage in prostitution."<br /><br />Is anyone asking you to engage in homosexuality? Did I miss something? <br />I'm under the impression they're only asking to be treated equally under the law. Not in your Church, but within the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-10217978366473792992015-06-15T14:29:41.304-04:002015-06-15T14:29:41.304-04:00You can't understand how a business owner coul...You can't understand how a business owner could discriminate against LGBT people ? A bigoted business owner's behavior is much like yours as a bigoted priest. <br /><br />Fr John Hollowell, priest. Boycott's Catholic Sisters and maligns the majority of Catholics who don't agree with Church doctrine on LGBT people and his religious beliefs. He says they aren't Catholics and should leave the Church.<br /><br />John Hollowell, owner of a Pizzeria. Boycott's anyone business who supports same sex marriage and maligns the majority of Americans who don't agree with his religion. He says they aren't normal and should leave his pizzeria. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-17205604739295011392015-06-15T14:08:10.634-04:002015-06-15T14:08:10.634-04:00"Would a company be asking people as they com..."Would a company be asking people as they come forward to order in line "before ordering, we'd like to know your sexual preference" ??? How are you envisioning that scenario playing out? "<br />Bigots aren't shy about bullying. You prove that fact with the exchanges you have online with LGBT people and their supporters, and now with the good Sisters. If it's somewhat obvious a person is LGBT, the bigoted business person will have the legal right to ask. Here are just a few scenarios where a business owner with your sort of bigotry will legally be able to refuse LGBT people service:<br />1) Open gay male walks in with boyfriend holding hands. No pizza<br />2) Open lesbian walks in with girlfriend holding hands. No pizza<br />3) Open Trans person who doesn't yet pass well. No pizza<br />3) Bigot's perception of a "feminine" open gay male. No pizza<br />4) Bigot's perception of a "masculine" open lesbian female. No pizza<br />5) Open lesbian parents with kids . No pizza<br />6) Open gay parents with kids. No pizza....................and there are many , MANY more. <br /><br />Bigots are notorious for stereotyping people, they won't hesitate to ask even if they suspect someone is LGBT. They'll ask and an open, proud LGBT person will not hesitate to confirm. No pizza<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-17275507035570404082015-06-15T13:38:01.000-04:002015-06-15T13:38:01.000-04:00Sarcasm get's you only one thing...less respec...Sarcasm get's you only one thing...less respect. <br />The "unjust" you speak of means you support just discrimination against LGBT people. The Sister's have a history of performing works of love, mercy and justice. I can see how they wouldn't support your sort of hatred and bigotry. God Bless them. They will save our Church !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-72793078941594164292015-06-15T08:21:56.556-04:002015-06-15T08:21:56.556-04:00The fact that you think that there is no just disc...The fact that you think that there is no just discrimination is ludicrous - we discriminate about 100 times a day. Do you really need examples of just discrimination?Father John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-62718552161812613152015-06-15T08:19:36.593-04:002015-06-15T08:19:36.593-04:00Thanks for making my pointThanks for making my pointFather John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-10050086615742964952015-06-15T02:42:23.262-04:002015-06-15T02:42:23.262-04:00You're a BIGOT and a BULLYYou're a BIGOT and a BULLYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-3220914761303275022015-06-15T02:38:22.331-04:002015-06-15T02:38:22.331-04:00The Sisters RIGHTFULLY contradicted the Bishops le...The Sisters RIGHTFULLY contradicted the Bishops letter which was discriminatory. The fact that the Bishops only condemn "unjust" discrimination rather than just plain discrimination proves this. There is no JUST discrimination ...period. Shame on them and shame on you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-3668057274796083782015-06-15T02:34:05.526-04:002015-06-15T02:34:05.526-04:00You're a BULLY Fr Hollowell, shame on you ! W...You're a BULLY Fr Hollowell, shame on you ! Women always save the Church and the Sisters are proving it !<br /><br />Thank you Sisters of Providence ! <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-59416946758330889132015-06-07T14:16:22.901-04:002015-06-07T14:16:22.901-04:00If hate is advocating for authentic religious free...If hate is advocating for authentic religious freedom, then Pope Francis is a hater, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict, Pope John Paul I, Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII and the framers of the Constitution, among others, are haters as well.<br /><br />Religious freedom - pass it on!Father John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-22065377770199599212015-06-07T14:14:18.791-04:002015-06-07T14:14:18.791-04:001) My own mother did not go to SMWC, she went to B...1) My own mother did not go to SMWC, she went to Butler<br /><br />2) The letter is there for anyone to read. It is a direct contradiction to the Bishops of Indiana. If you can't see that, then I'm not sure what to tell you.Father John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-11892099294536748172015-06-06T19:50:28.655-04:002015-06-06T19:50:28.655-04:00Shame on you Father John for not reading the whole...Shame on you Father John for not reading the whole letter and taking words out of context. Your own mother went to SMWC and was taught by the Sisters of Providence, I am sure she does not condone your criticism of the Sisters and the fact that they honor all people as being created in the image of God. liztongirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08150569811190666294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-55749412941418396592015-06-05T20:44:34.389-04:002015-06-05T20:44:34.389-04:00To Anon.
1. A Kosher butcher would not serve por...To Anon. <br />1. A Kosher butcher would not serve pork to ANYONE, so refusing to serve pork is not illegal as they are not discriminating against people, but the product. The problem is when someone such as yourself as a photographer offers services yet picks and chooses who they wish to serve. If the basis of refusal violates protection laws in the area someone can sue. These laws are decades old and work well. There is too much hysterics on this issue, and pretending that a cake is a participant in a wedding is frankly absurd. It is a good meant to be bought and sold. So, yes get a grip.<br />2. See my 1st response. Funny, I was thinking myself “what is this guy missing?” Yes in certain places gays can be refused services for simply being gay if they live in an area with no equal rights protections: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/19/pediatrician-refuses-to-treat-baby-with-lesbian-parents-and-theres-nothing-illegal-about-it/<br />3. If you are in an area with laws against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation you are in violation of that law. You may wish to revisit business 101. Since you seem to not grasp the legal issue here is a good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUWW0wHiRso<br />4. Yes, I love it when people clutch their pearls when someone speaks out against discrimination. How dare I stand in your way of subjugating millions of people? I must seem so rude!<br /><br />To Fr. Hollowell<br />Hmm, discriminating against someone simply because of who they are is the definition of bigotry: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigotry You really can’t see how that would happen? What if a couple walks into a restaurant holding hands, or with their kids who call them both “dad”, what if the reservation is under a known gay advocacy group’s name? Think it hasn’t happened? Think again: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/08/i-have-the-right-to-refuse-service-restaurant-owner-turns-away-group-after-he-learns-what-they-advocate/<br />Fr. Hollowell, they can have their day in court anyway! It’s called the 1st amendment. RFRAs were meant for religious minorities who are discriminated against by the government, not an individual and not to shirk longstanding equal protection laws. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-62056144699009951052015-06-05T17:32:26.057-04:002015-06-05T17:32:26.057-04:00You are so arrogant.
I'm sure they don't ...You are so arrogant.<br /><br />I'm sure they don't want you there anyway spewing your hateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-89839574122130506832015-06-05T16:03:19.317-04:002015-06-05T16:03:19.317-04:00I would not call someone a bigot in your number 2 ...I would not call someone a bigot in your number 2 above, but I don't think it should be allowed. How does one even find that out? Would a company be asking people as they come forward to order in line "before ordering, we'd like to know your sexual preference" ??? How are you envisioning that scenario playing out? <br /><br />4) please - it doesn't protect anything religious? It says "if you feel your religious freedom is violated, you can appeal to the courts" That sounds like it protects something religious to me.Father John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-37086457632626283942015-06-05T15:59:49.898-04:002015-06-05T15:59:49.898-04:001) I don't pretend that I own the Catholic Chu...1) I don't pretend that I own the Catholic Church. I am a member of it.<br /><br />2) You know who has been around longer than the Sisters of Providence? The Catholic Church<br /><br />3) I have spoken with them. Two of them are my former grade school teachers. This saddens me greatly that they would seek to undermine the teaching authority of the Catholic Church<br /><br />4) My boycott is not threatened. It is actual. Father John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-34449125141761424402015-06-05T09:42:21.852-04:002015-06-05T09:42:21.852-04:00Father Hollowell...stop pretending you own the Cat...Father Hollowell...stop pretending you own the Catholic Church..you do not speak for me and obviously not for the Sisters of Providence either...why do you think you deserve authority over an organization of Sisters who have been around a heck of a lot longer than you? Your threatened boycott is meaningless and childish. If you disagree with them maybe you should humble yourself to go talk to them with an open heart and mind realizing they may not be as stupid as you seem to think they are.. In fact, it's possible they could have something to teach you about being a humble servant versus a know it all authoritarian!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-33259713402750897552015-06-04T16:39:51.016-04:002015-06-04T16:39:51.016-04:001. They are not participating. They are providin...1. They are not participating. They are providing goods and services which is the entire point of their business. <br />2. If someone refused to serve someone who is gay lunch only because they are gay, are they bigots? <br />4. RFRA is protecting bigotry as originally written in Indiana as it does not protect anything religious. If you have a problem with your reflection, that's a you problem, not a me problem. And yes, pointing out immoral attributes is civil. If you disagree with that, then you must think your entire post is uncivil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-1706998923740186912015-06-04T16:08:52.317-04:002015-06-04T16:08:52.317-04:00Mr Anonymous (ref the 12:01pm post)
1- Those thin...Mr Anonymous (ref the 12:01pm post)<br /><br />1- Those things may not be sacred, but they are part of the entire celebration that is a wedding. You wouldn't go to a kosher butcher and demand pork be served at your party, and if you did, it'd be his right to decline service to you. Oh, and telling someone to "get a grip" is not civil discourse, it's passive aggressive. <br /><br />2- they are not denying service to gays. they are making the decision to not participate in the celebration of an event that is against their religious beliefs. what part of that are you still missing? they can't deny service to someone simply because they walk in their store and are gay.<br /><br />3- you have some cognative dissonance going on here. When you say the law is unnecessary... I am a part-time photographer. If a gay couple getting married in the episcopal church wishes to hire me and I decline, what say you?<br /><br />4- sigh. good ol' relativism. that's what it is. claiming civil discourse while calling people bigots for not compromising their morals. fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-9683266226166300852015-06-04T15:04:09.923-04:002015-06-04T15:04:09.923-04:001) no one said they are sacred. Being forced to p...1) no one said they are sacred. Being forced to participate in a ceremony that a person finds OBJECTIVELY wrong is something that, as RFRA does, allows them to appeal having to participate in such an event.<br />2) "bigots" - you hurl that around and then say you are simply engaging in civil disagreement. You'd make a good supreme court justice these days.<br />3) reassuring<br />4) step 1 - accuse someone of "passing a law protecting bigotry"<br />step 2 - claim you are just engaging in civil disagreementFather John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-40174970597557489552015-06-04T12:01:54.781-04:002015-06-04T12:01:54.781-04:001. Cakes, photos, flowers, ect. are not sacred, or...1. Cakes, photos, flowers, ect. are not sacred, or even Christian. They are not necessary for a Christian wedding. Get a grip.<br />2. Based on #2, some Cristians are being bigots by denying goods and services to gays.<br />3. I don't think most Catholics are bigots at all. That's what prompted the entire discussion. Many Catholics realize just how wrong and unnecessary this law is.<br />4. I don't believe in tolerance. I believe in pluralism and civil disagreement. Am I not being civil? Remember who is trying to pass a law protecting bigotry, then decide who is intolerant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com