tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post4574223598909099255..comments2024-03-22T05:53:17.342-04:00Comments on On This Rock: Consubstantial? What the Heck is That? Fr. Romanus Cessario Offers a Good ExplanationFather John Hollowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-26861334867203376472011-12-18T06:30:42.108-05:002011-12-18T06:30:42.108-05:00We ought to be careful when assuming that the hist...We ought to be careful when assuming that the historical Jesus and his Jewish brethren used simple tableware at a celebration of the Passover.<br /><br />As a student of the "Historical Jesus" you're also no doubt familiar with the idea that it would have been very very expensive and very very luxurious to have a house with an "upper room" and so the likelihood that Jesus and friends used a cup is low. But, you can continue to base your anger on the exegesis done by the writers of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade if you so choose - that's the beauty of basing one's anger on "Historical Jesus" talk.<br /><br />Also, you ought to note that saying "The historical Jesus neither spoke nor understood Latin" is a heresy of the highest order, denying the very authentic nature of Christ. As a student of the early Church, I would think you would have caught yourself, but alas, you did not. Are you saying the Second Person of the Trinity did not understand Latin? <br /><br />Of course you wrap care for the poor and the marginalized (which the Church leads the world in doing already) with gay marriage which of course reveals your authentic bias here. You will find my classes on the Church's teaching on homosexuality (elsewhere on this blog) very helpful in explaining why the Church teaches what it does.<br /><br />As for your rant about latent fears over the inheritance factor... I can only say, as a quote I've used on here many times from Regine Pernoud "One can say what one wants about the Middle Ages and can be virtually assured of never being corrected." I'm sure you came across this rant in some postmodern "history of western civilization" class and have never bothered to actually read much authentic history from the middle ages. That's too bad because history is always more intricate, complex, and fascinating than pop historians make it out to be.Father John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-52934337685941703412011-12-18T05:41:05.863-05:002011-12-18T05:41:05.863-05:00Once again, the historical Jesus neither spoke, no...Once again, the historical Jesus neither spoke, nor understood Latin, modern theology, or word origins. Why does the church persist in this "high church" Middle Ages model of proper worship and order of the Mass, not to even mention, that the Liturgy changes do not even attempt to address gender bias by using male pronouns-the Jesus life and message is one of love, the humble servant model, and using a common drinking vessel, not a "chalice," It's time to embrace peace and justice, equality and fairness in treating the poor, the marginalized, recognizing the created sanctity of gay men and women in relationship and raising healthy, happy children, and stop the nonsense of an informed and educated laity somehow "threatening" the male/celibate priesthood. God is pure love, inclusive, and ever forgiving, or she/he/ is nothing at all. The roman church is a boxed system that can't get past defending itself by fear of opening oneself to a truly infinite God, not one molded by latent fears over the "inheritence" factor of the children of married priests a thousand years ago in a feudal system, the repression of the sexual woman, and the cruelty expressed toward loving, caring and compassionate gay individuals, seeking to only live out their God created natures. Can I hear an Amen, sisters and brothers in Christ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com