tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post3027165818099963116..comments2024-03-22T05:53:17.342-04:00Comments on On This Rock: A Catholic Reply to John FugelsangFather John Hollowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-75024483525119698832019-12-28T03:57:16.223-05:002019-12-28T03:57:16.223-05:00"[Jesus] never fought for tax cuts for the we..."[Jesus] never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes"<br />- Here it is important to remember that language is critical. When you talk about tax cuts, it seems like you are assuming that it is money that is rightfully the governments. That is a dangerous precedent because we should always use language that acknowledges that anything a person has earned does not first belong to the government but rather to the person. I'm all for taxes, but to assume that any amount of money that a person earns actually belongs FIRST to the government is dangerous. As soon as the government begins losing sight of the fact that "the government's money" comes from its citizenry, we are in deep trouble.<br /><br />Mr. Fugelsang does not say it is the governments money "first". "Seems like" is the basis for your argument? You "seem like" someone who has become so caught up in a single issue that you've drunk all the Kool-aid mixed in for your consumption. (no fun when "seems like looks the other way) The government is not a separate entity from the governed. We are our government; we are accountable for who is taxed, and how, and what our money is spent on. Voting for those whose policies oppress the poor, fail to take care of the sick, fill our prisons with people because of the color of their skin and make war to support global corporatism are far more dangerous than a Catholic comic who makes an argument that makes you uncomfortable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15475882601757204283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-56391321990878099102019-06-20T12:43:37.902-04:002019-06-20T12:43:37.902-04:00"[Jesus was] a man who never justified tortur...<br />"[Jesus was] a man who never justified torture"<br />- Catholics agree and teach that there is never a justification for it<br />Then why did my priest urge me to vote for politicians with active policies that are ANTI abortion AND and at the same time PRO torture and PRO greed? (Bush and Trump Administrations)This appears to be theological dissonance and very confusing.Dtealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05606008642511124022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-31364430982702239492015-07-07T12:26:12.356-04:002015-07-07T12:26:12.356-04:00The behavior of some in the Church (both priests a...The behavior of some in the Church (both priests and lay people) throughout the history of the Church has always been a scandal and has caused some to never pay any attention to the Church.<br /><br />Christ never said "I am founding a Church which will be full of perfect people" He simply founded a Church. If He had said that being Catholic would guarantee perfection, then your argument would carry weight.<br /><br />Those priests who have harmed children, and anyone who has covered it up, will have a TON to answer for at the end of time, but fortunately we are called to NOT pass final judgment on anyone, but to keep working on ourselves. <br /><br />God have mercy on us and on the whole world!Father John Hollowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12850864104003705536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-11654147962379270202015-07-07T11:02:09.916-04:002015-07-07T11:02:09.916-04:00The catholic church has no grounds for claiming mo...The catholic church has no grounds for claiming moral superiority in any way. Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me. This was not a call for child rape. Look at the history of the catholic church. Tens of thousands of victims of child rape. Hundreds of child-raping priests. Many cardinals and popes colluded to cover it all up. Billions of dollars now paid out in reparations. Being anti-Catholic is just part of being anti-child rape. I am most happy to go on record of having zero tolerance of such a horror. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-13636354970948372122015-05-22T19:34:06.490-04:002015-05-22T19:34:06.490-04:00Hi Father John Hollowell,
I believe you totally mi... Hi Father John Hollowell,<br />I believe you totally missed John's point. I believe he isn't anti-Catholic at all. I think he is Anti-Conservative-American-Bible-Belt mentality (a la Southern Baptist, prosperity-gospel, "Americans as God's only chosen people") who use the bible not to learn about God, but instead to push their morality and their politics through, by sticking the Christian button on their Suit next to the American flag. I smile when I hear John's provoking quote and I believe the catholic church is much closer to John's understanding than many of the Bible-swinging conservative Churches, who judge and spread hate and fear against Non-Christian, Non-patriotical, Non-American, Non-Conservative people. They do not use the scripture to learn from God, but to spread fear, hatred in Gods creation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-31314530154759450632014-11-12T15:17:28.156-05:002014-11-12T15:17:28.156-05:00I don't see anything in Fugelsang's post a...I don't see anything in Fugelsang's post about being anti-Catholic or even anti-Christian. I think the point is being missed. He wasn't American and didn't speak English refers to the fact that many Americans are prejudiced about the minorities in this country. That's all. It's a symbolic statement, rather than a literal comparison. His reading of the book is his interpretation, as is yours, so you cannot say it's waaay off. Claudia Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03967420917872403739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-92112339504326440882014-07-03T11:11:51.265-04:002014-07-03T11:11:51.265-04:00sounds like the neocons protecting their war crime...sounds like the neocons protecting their war crimes,MoFatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09616962468319831316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-90076695957343654252014-04-30T04:40:40.285-04:002014-04-30T04:40:40.285-04:00I'm not sure you're really answering any. ...I'm not sure you're really answering any. of the questions you're even supposing here, and more than half these hardly pertain to the original quote. Bummer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-68798618843655832932013-07-29T22:20:02.557-04:002013-07-29T22:20:02.557-04:00Oh, and Sodom & Gomorrah:
Jude 1:7....
6 And...Oh, and Sodom & Gomorrah:<br /><br />Jude 1:7.... <br />6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.<br />7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.<br />8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.<br /><br />Well, despite questionable translations and interpretations...Soddom is not a condemnation on homosexuality, but rather the true sin of the Sodomites as described in the Bible has nothing to do with same-sex acts per se (although as still happens in that region, otherwise heterosexual male on male rape was part of the plan of the mob, since the mob was not comprised of only women...) <br /><br />Rather, the ancient Sodomites were punished by God for far greater sins: for attempted gang rape, for mob violence, and for turning their backs on strangers and the needy who were in their midst. In other words, the real sin of Sodom was radical inhospitality. And, ironically, it is often anti-gay "Christians" who are most guilty of this sin today.<br /><br />So I guess you have issue with your religion, which you also do not comprehend on even a semi-literate basis. Although, you saw fit to fully trust and believe those who made the translations and interpretations... and it SEEMED somewhat reasonable.... until you actually PRAY for the understanding... then, if you ARE His... not so much.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-81446801939351124592013-07-29T22:05:14.698-04:002013-07-29T22:05:14.698-04:00Matthew 19:4 / Mark 10:6: This is Jesus being the ...Matthew 19:4 / Mark 10:6: This is Jesus being the early "feminist" telling the Pharisees men who throw away their wives JUST because they are 'bored' with them, or wish a 'new model' is WRONG. The only reason permissible according to God's Law is if she is unfaithful. Since Gays and lesbians of that time tended to stay together no matter what, and were not as fickle as vain straight white(ish) guys... not an issue... why address it? <br /><br />I'm not finding anything where "true marriage" is described.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-91739624550745788462013-07-29T21:55:59.945-04:002013-07-29T21:55:59.945-04:00Hmm, just a stab in the dark, as I myself hold no...Hmm, just a stab in the dark, as I myself hold no special distaste for Catholics, personally (but a LOT of my friends and folks I admire claim the status "recovering Catholic" ;)<br /><br />But thinking that mainly because of Pops prior to Pope Francis were.... what's the polite way to express this.... hmm, no polite way, so I apologize in advance. Have something stuck up their nether regions. And consequently SEEM to preach a LOT of hate for LOTS of folks... gays, lesbians, transgendered, anyone who uses birth control, anyone of a religion other than Catholicism, (some "Christian" sects are often somewhat 'tolerated') I think it was Pope... John? Or maybe was the Ratz.... I forget who forbid use of condoms and forbade their use (even if used to prevent spread of AIDS in Africa) and condemned their use in Africa, which, sorry, but that's beyond asinine. I know at least 6 people in 3 different countries who were Catholics, and that lost them. Yeah, mus\ch better for a child to be born w/ AIDS ans starve and suffer than to use a condom.<br /><br />Stuff like that. I do not think pppl so much detest Catholics, mostly I find it's the Popes, Francis, however seems to be shifting some of that sentiment... at least from what I can see and from what I'm hearing lately. Amazing how simply FOLLOWING Jesus' example elevates.... everything, huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-85807768412177081432012-09-11T15:16:52.768-04:002012-09-11T15:16:52.768-04:00Really like the post. I saw this on facebook not ...Really like the post. I saw this on facebook not long ago. Little typo. Pauls words are 2 Corinthians 11:3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-17241480402915904222012-09-07T17:49:16.484-04:002012-09-07T17:49:16.484-04:00Well, as we know that moral relativism is self-ref...Well, as we know that moral relativism is self-refuting and incoherent, I'll return to the what Fugelsang was talking about. That is, even if one doesn't like taking advice from a book, I think we would agree that his reading of that book is waaaay off. Scott W.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-40381029336859516352012-09-06T22:24:55.726-04:002012-09-06T22:24:55.726-04:00I'm saying that a book should not tell people ...I'm saying that a book should not tell people how to live their life. A book should not tell people what is right and wrong, that is for each person to decide for them self. <br /><br />"why do you get to decide what is extreme?" In that regard, what makes a group of men get to decide how people should live their lives?(abortion, sexuality, premarital sex, etc.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-665017748766533162012-09-06T08:32:51.349-04:002012-09-06T08:32:51.349-04:00"In this extremity"? Does that mean as l..."In this extremity"? Does that mean as long as it isn't extreme, it's ok? What is extreme exactly, and why do you get to decide what is extreme?Scott W.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-30478335291148234292012-09-05T22:42:07.039-04:002012-09-05T22:42:07.039-04:00Anyone that lets a book written by man(the bible),...Anyone that lets a book written by man(the bible), not a god, influence their life in this extremity is clearly delusional! Also, anyone who claims to be the son of a god is also clearly suffering from delusions of grandeur(jesus)! People should be able to develop their own moralities without the help of a book. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-25821206204680058732012-09-04T23:30:04.071-04:002012-09-04T23:30:04.071-04:00Anna, John 15: 18 - "if the world hates you, ...Anna, John 15: 18 - "if the world hates you, realize that it hated me first."Mr. Bassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10975776118599873329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-26341222637238574062012-09-04T22:54:12.281-04:002012-09-04T22:54:12.281-04:00Just FYI, Our Lord at least indirectly reaffirms t...Just FYI, Our Lord at least indirectly reaffirms traditional sexuality when he describes a <i>true</i> marriage as when a man and woman marry and "become one flesh". Our Lord also affirms the justice meted out to Sodom and Gomorrah.Scott W.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560483615460834385.post-4204647925953500472012-09-04T17:56:30.502-04:002012-09-04T17:56:30.502-04:00Stupid question, but what exactly did we (Catholic...Stupid question, but what exactly did we (Catholics) do to deserve this much persecution and hatred? ~AnnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com